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W.E.Pane

 
 
 

It has not been possible to positively identify W.Pane, who joined Clifton in 1911-12, as there is no Pane with the initials W.E. listed as having died in World War 1 by the Commonwealth and War Graves Commission. It is thought, at the moment, that his initial on the War Memorial and in the book 50 Years with Clifton Rugby Football Club is incorrect.

There are 2 Pane's listed by the CWGC as having died in World War 1.

(a) Private Harold Alfred Pane, Royal Warwickshire Regiment. Son of Mrs. A. M. Pane, of 43, High St., King's Heath, Birmingham, and the late Mr. A. J. Pane. Died 1st September 1918 aged 21. Commemorated on the Basra War Memorial, Iraq. He is too young to have played rugby in 1911-12 being only 13.

(b) Rifleman Cyril Ernest Pane, Rifle Brigade. Son of Leonard and Elizabeth Pane, of Birmingham. Died 1st August 1915. Remembered on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial

Other possibles

Panes (4 possible)

(a) Second Officer Arthur Benjamin Panes, Mercantile Marine. Died 20th August 1917.

(b) 2nd Lt Ernest Philip Morris Panes, 9th Battalion Kings Royal Rifle Corps. K.I.A. 25th September 1915 Aged 22

(c) Lance Corporal Frederick Panes, Somerset Light Infantry. Died 17th April 1916. Commemorated on the Basra Memorial, Iraq.

(d) Gunner W.Panes, 32nd Div. Ammunition Col., Royal Field Artillery. Died 25th August 1918. Buried Villers-Bretonneux Military Cemetery.

Paneta (1 possible)

(a) Private Win Paneta, New Zealand Maori (Pioneer) Battalion. Son of Harry and Fanny Paneta (nee Poharama); husband of Elizabeth Paneta, of Mangamaunu, Kaikoura. Born at Blenheim. Served in Egypt, 1915. Died 12th July 1920. Commemorated Mangamaunu Maori Cemetery.

Payne
 
941 CWGC records- Checked all Commissioned Officers, All Gloucesters, all Somerset L.I., all South Staffs, all Royal Engineers, all RAMC, all RFC/RAF, all Navy and all W. Paynes.
 
Possible connections:
 
(a) Ernest Richard Payne RAMC HMHS "Glengorn Castle". K.I.A. 29.10.1918 aged 24. Son of George and Alice Payne of 6, Bath Terrace, Staple Hill, Bristol. Born in Bedminster.
(b) Private Walter Payne   1st Hampshires.
K.I.A. 22/04/1918 aged 37 years. Husband of S J Payne, of 34, Beaufort Road, Barton Hill, Bristol.
(c) Lance-Corporal Joseph H. Payne.  2/6th Gloucesters.
K.I.A. 02/12/1917 (Battle of Cambrai). Husband of Catherine Payne, Stanton Drew, Pensford, Bristol. (Same village where M.H. Laxton lived when he applied for his medals after the War).
(d) Private W.H. Payne Canadian    Canadian Infantry (Quebec Regiment)
K.I.A. 19/08/1916.  Son of Mr G Payne, 6, Bank Road, Kingswood, Bristol.
(e) Private Wallace Henry Payne   Machine Gun Corps 86th Battalion.
K.I.A. 30.11.1917 aged 20. Son of Samuel and Annie Payne, Leigh Farm, Pucklechurch, Bristol.
(f) Private Wallace Smith Payne.  2/5th Battalion Gloucesters.
K.I.A. 01/09/1918 Aged 29. Son of Alfred and Lily Payne, husband of Alice Frances Payne, 34, Regent Street, Newtown, Bristol.
(g) Private W.H. Payne  Gloucester Regiment
Died 24/02/1920 aged 33. Son of Oliver and Harriet Payne of Leonard Stanley, husband of Ada Payne, Ivy House, Wycliffe College, Stonehouse, Glos.
(h) Private Wilfred Henry Payne (Australian) 1st Battalion Australian Infantry Force.
K.I.A. between 06/08/1915 and 11/08/1915 Gallipoli. Son of Mary Jane Payne, Laurel Bank, Claverham, Bristol
(i) 2nd Ltnt. William Henry Payne  Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Died of wounds 28/12/1917
(j) Private F. W. Payne   2/5th Gloucesters
Died 04/12/1917 Buried on the Somme.
 
Paine(s)
 
122 CWGC Records, Checked as above:
 
Possible connections:
 
(a) Private Maurice E. Paines  1st/5th Battalion Gloucesters
K.I.A. 23/07/1916 on the Somme
 
(b) Able Seaman Thomas William Job Paines. HMHS 'Llandovery Castle (London)"
Died 27/06/1918 Aged 24. Son of William & Jane Paines (Nee Penny) of 10, Irene Terrace, Pill, Nr Bristol.

Another possible researched by Helga Fox is 22739 Private William Edward Pain, 12th Battallion Gloucestershire Regiment

 

PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS:

Alfred Pain born abt. 1840 Bristol married Annie Maria (Ponting) nee Rowles born abt. 1846 Wooten-Under-Edge, Gloucestershire in March Qtr. 1862 Bristol Vol. 6a Page 61.

In 1861 Annie Maria Rowles is at 2 Wilder Street St Pauls, Bristol with her Uncle James and Aunt Kate Nash. James was a labourer/publican and Annie, entered as Ann 15, was a servant.

I think Annie’s father may have been Thomas P (possibly Ponting?) Rowles.

I haven’t found Alfred Pain before his marriage as yet!

On the night of 2nd April 1871 Alfred and Annie were in Bootle, Lancashire living at 32 Howe Street with their son Edward Colston Pain aged 5. Alfred was listed as being a ‘’ship stewart.’’

In 1880 Annie died at the age of 33 and her death was registered in June Qtr. Bedminster, Vol. 5c Page 476.

In March Qtr. 1881 Alfred married Sarah Smith (born abt.1851 in Bristol), in Bedminster Vol. 5c Page 911.

On the night of 3rd April 1881 Alfred, Sarah and Edward Colston Pain were living at 10 Brislington Crescent. Alfred was listed as being a commission agent and Edward was a clerk.

On the night of 5th April, Alfred and Sarah were living at 70 Bath Road, Alfred was still a commission agent.

In the 1897 Kelly’s Directory Alfred was listed at the above address as an insurance agent.

I believe Alfred may have died around late 1897 early 1898 aged 57 and his death was registered in March Qtr. 1898 Bedminster Vol. 5c Page 513.

MATERNAL GREAT-GRANDPARENT:

Elizabeth Mathias nee Unknown born abt. 1799 Reynoldston, Pembrokeshire

MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS:

Thomas and Mary Gunter, both born in Pembrokeshire, South Wales. Thomas was born abt. 1819 and Mary nee Mathias abt. 1827. Mary’s mother was Elizabeth born abt.1799 in Reynoldston. In 1851 Mary who is entered as Mary Mathias (at home) was with her mother (who was working at the coal pit) and her 2 oldest children John and Ann in Hard Steps, Reynoldston (both at home.)

There was also another child aged 11 named Thomas Llewelling who was also employed at the coal pit. In 1861 Elizabeth was with Thomas and Mary as a Widow with no occupation.

On the night of 7th April 1861 Thomas, Mary, their children Ann and Margaret were in Wind Street, Neath. Thomas was a coal miner.

On the night of 2nd April 1871 Thomas, Mary and family were at 2 Clevedon View, Knowle. Looking at the places of birth of their children, they were in Cardiff, Chew Magna and Stanton Drew before living there. Thomas’s occupation was entered as labourer, daughters Margaret and Mary Jane were at school, Susanna and Charlotte (Susanna’s twin) was entered as C. Gunter.

I have found no marriage details on Thomas or Mary yet. She could be John and Ann’s step-mother as she was entered on the 1851 census under her maiden name and there was such a large gap between Ann and Margaret (10 years.)

PARENTS:

Edward Colston Pain (birth registered March Qtr. 1866 Bristol Vol. 6a Page 26), married Susanna Gunter (birth registered in March Qtr. 1866 Clutton, Somerset Vol. 5c Page 708) in 1883 and their marriage was registered in September Qtr. of that year in Bedminster, Somerset Vol. 5c Page 1138. Susanna was entered under the name of Susan.

Susanna’s siblings were: John born abt. 1847, Ann born abt. 1850, Margaret born abt. 1860, Mary Jane born abt. 1863, Charlotte, (Susanna’s twin, so same registry as Susanna) and Elizabeth Jane born abt. 1868 in Stanton Drew, Somerset.

On the night of 3rd April 1881, Susanna was in 12 Blythwood Road, Crouch Hill, Islington, London as a general servant to a watchmaker named Charles Mairet (born abt. 1841 in Switzerland) and his family.

On the night of 5th April 1891 Edward C Pain a boiler maker, his wife Susan, daughter Annie E L aged 5 and son Frank E aged 1 were at 26 Firfield Street, Totterdown, Bristol

On the night of 31st March 1901 the family were at 15 Firfield Street, Totterdown, Bristol. Edward C is a boiler smith’s labourer, wife Susan, daughter Annie E aged 15 was a packer at the tobacco manufacturing factory, Frank aged 11, Alexander aged 8, William Edward aged 5, Reginald aged 3 and they also have a niece Blanche Gunter aged 9 (born Bristol) with them.

Children were:

Annie Elsie L Pain birth registered March Qtr. 1886 Bedminster Vol. 5c Page 602.

Frank Ernest Pain birth registered December Qtr. 1889 Bedminster Vol. 5c Page 638.

Alexander Pain birth registered December Qtr. 1892 Bedminster Vol. 5c Page 618.

William Edward Pain birth registered June Qtr. 1895 Bedminster Vol. 5c Page 666.

Reginald Gilbert Pain birth registered September Qtr. 1897 Bedminster Vol. 5c Page 626.

Edward Colston Pain is listed in the 1901 J. Wright and Co.’s Directory as at the above address near the Totterdown Police Station. There was a police constable, Thomas Frampton living at 7 Firfield Street. Edward was to live at this address for many years as he is listed as still there in the 1906 and 1938 Kelly’s Directory.

From this I surmise that Alexander, William Edward and Reginald Gilbert were born in Firfield Street although I don’t know at which property.

Edward Colston Pain had volunteered with the Territorials at Guild Hall, Bristol on 31st August 1900 at the age of 34 years 10 months. Edward’s attestation states he was 5ft 7 1/8ins, minimum chest measurement 37ins, his sight, hearing and physical development: good, heart and lungs: sound. He was passed as fit by the Examining Medical Officer, Surgeon Stuart V. Stock. Edward was approved to join 3 rd Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment as 479 Private by Captain J.M. Boyce in Bristol on 22nd September 1900.

In 1908 Edward stated he was born at St Pauls, gave his address as 15 Firfield Street, Totterdown, Bristol, his occupation as engine tuber for the Great Western Railway, Local Department and his wife Susan as his next of kin. Edward stated he was with 3rd Battalion. He was approved for the 6th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment on 7 th April 1908 and his enlistment date was deemed to have started on 1st April 1908. Edward became 275 Private with 6 th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment.

Attended Annual Training, from 2nd August until 16th August 1908, with 6 th Battalion

Re-engaged as Private with 6th Battalion 7th April 1909

Weekend Training with 6th Battalion from 29th May 1909 until 1 st June 1909.

Training with 6th Battalion from 29th July until 15th August 1909

Re-engaged as Private with 6th Battalion on 7th April 1910

Training with 6th Battalion but no dates given in 1910

Training with 6th Battalion but no dates given in 1911

Training with 6th Battalion but no dates given in 1912

Promoted to Sergeant on 6th April 1912

Re-engaged as Sergeant with 6th Battalion on 7th April 1913

Re-engaged as Sergeant with 6th Battalion on 7th April 1914

On 5th August 1914 Edward was embodied into the Armed Services.

On 18th July 1915 Edward was appointed Sergeant, a cook with the 3rd/6th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment.

On 31st March 1916 his term of Service expired after serving 8 years with 6th Battalion, he was 50 years 5 months old, discharged under Paragraph 392(XXI) King’s regulations. This was approved at Weston Super Mare. Edward never served overseas but was awarded the Territorial Efficiency Medal. It states on his Medal Roll Card: List T L 644. Susanna died in 1935 aged 69 registered Bristol Vol. 6a Page 115. On someone’s tree her death date is 19th November 1935. Edward died in 1941 aged 75 registered Bristol Vol. 6a Page 342 a death date on the same person’s tree is 8th February 1941.

Frank Ernest Pain

It is possible Frank Ernest Pain was also with the Gloucestershire Regiment as I’ve found a War Medal Roll Card for a Private 15165 whose First Theatre of War was in France on 20th September 1915 which qualified him for the 1915 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal. This Frank E went on to join the Machine Gun Corps under Service No. 174987.

Reginald Gilbert Pain

There is a War Medal Roll Card for a Reginald G Pain who served with the Royal Field Artillery as Driver 262 later becoming Driver 905241 who was awarded the British War Medal and Victory Medal.

William Edward Pain

William Pain of 15 Firfield Street, Totterdown, Bristol enlisted with 15th (L.R.) Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment on 16th October 1915 in Bristol, aged 20 years 6 months, his occupation is stated as storekeeper. This was witnessed by a John Chipperfield.

William was 5ft 6ins tall, his chest measurement 33ins with a 2ins range of expansion. Next of kin named, was his father Edward living at 15 Firfield Street.

On 11th October the Recruiting Officer of Guildhall Bristol sent an Army Form B. 203 to the War Office which was a special application form for a recruit specially enlisted in the 15th Glosters ( Bristol) Regiment. The Recruiting Officer states Williams name, age, height, address with the additional information that William weighed 116lbs. He also stated that William was a stock keeper. The Recruiting Officer (I think it says Barclay J. Baren not sure!) gave his reason of recommendation as

‘’Will probably develop, well set up,’’

The form was stamped by the War Office on the following day as ‘’May be accepted.’’

William was at Gosport on the 17th October and was approved at Gosport, on 20th October 1915, by a J. Willcock.

On 22nd January 1916 William was absent from Tattoo until 10:45pm at Chiseldon witnessed by Sgt. Clarke and L/Sgt. Hale. His punishment was 2 days of being confined to barracks on 26th January by 2nd Lieut. G.S. Lewis.

Also at Chiseldon on 19th February 1916 he was absent for 6 days but rejoined on 24th February at 7am. This was witnessed by Cpl. Fricker and L/Sgt. Curtis. He was deprived of 12 days pay for this by Lt. Col. Willcock.

Remarks: Forfeits 6 days pay under R.W. R.E.M 24/2/1916. On his Pension Service punishment sheet it states William was a stationer by trade and his religion as C. of E.

On 12th April 1916 he was with 12th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment, as part of the British Expeditionary Forces heading for France.

On 26th July he was posted to 10th Battalion.

On 9th September 1916 he was wounded in the field with gun shot wounds to his chest.

On 26th January 1917 he was posted back to 12th Battalion.

On 8th May 1917 he was wounded again this time with gun shot wounds to his right forearm.

On 15th May 1917 he was at the Gloucestershire Regiment Depot in England.

On 12th July 1917 William was granted a furlough until 21st July by the Captain of the Royal Army Medical Corps at Middlesex War Hospital, Napsbury St Albans.

On 22nd July 1917 he was posted to Ballyvonare C. D. in County Cork, Ireland.

On 2nd October he joined 3rd Battalion.

It is on one of his Pension Record sheets that he is entered as W.E. Pain. This also states that the O.C. Company is Captain G. Lloyd Walker/Walkis/Walkes?

It is on his Discharge Paper from the Medical Board to the War Office that William is finally named in full as William Edward Pain which was dated as 22 nd November 1917.

William stated that he was qualified as a stationer and was formerly in the employ of Messrs. Cloutman, Smith & Co., 46 Victoria Street, Temple, Bristol, a Wholesale Stationers which I have found listed in the 1906 Kelly’s Directory.

On 23rd December 1917 signed receipt ‘’War Badge and Certificate with thanks’’ Certificate No. 288,115.

22739 Private William Edward Pain, D. Coy., 12th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment was awarded the British War Medal and Victory Medal. William was discharged from service on 13th December 1917 under Paragraph 392(XVI) King’s Regulations, as he was no longer fit for War Service due to wounds received and so was also awarded the Silver War Badge. His Pension Record states: ‘’Permanently excluded from liability to Medical re-examination under the Military Service (Review of Exception) Act 1917. He had served for 2 years 59 days and his character classed as ‘’Good.’’

On 23rd August 1919 William signed the receipt of his King’s Certificate No. 7736

‘’With thanks in good condition’’ which had been sent to 15 Firfield Street

There were no Medical Records in William’s Pension or Service Record with treatments or admissions to Hospitals. However we know he was in the Middlesex War Hospital (possibly for his forearm injury) because of his furlough permission.

I’ve found a marriage registered in December Qtr. 1923 Bristol Vol. 6a Page 161 for a William E. Pain to a Winifred I. Johnson.

William Edward Pain born 26th April 1895 died in December Qtr. 1991 Bristol Vol. 22 Page 480, he was 96. His date of birth was gained from his death record.

Researched by Helga D. Fox

Sources: all found on www.ancestry.co.uk